@thehavok No they are not. Arrival has an order for 10k mini-vans from UPS. They are a little less than half the size of the Workhorse C-1000 vans that UPS helped design. Workhorse has an order for 950 of those Full Size Giant C-1000 vans that they have been building and delivering for a couple months now. They are for two completely different kinds of routes.