• @sammyjankis @ch3vy Come on, man. You don't have to remind me of the senseless violence. Do better. Be better. I was sad then when this happened, and now you bring it back up. I really might have to block you now. It will be "another notch on the board" for you.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy You don't know anything about history. You don't know anything about me. The Nazis were socialists, and they were statists. And they murdered millions. And so did the communists.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy I will always oppose leftism because I know it's failure in principle and in practice. And of course, just like my grandpa who was with the liberating forces of multiple concentration camps, I will also denounce nazis. I will always speak the fascists on the left and the right.
  • @sammyjankis @ch3vy You taught me nothing. It really seems that many on the far left are in favor of silencing anyone who disagrees with them. And I don't no of any communist state that allowed free speech. Do you?
  • @0grey0 @ch3vy The right of today in the U.S. is pro-authoritarian, pro-facist. They have a president who admires facist leaders and wishes to deploy the military against its own citizens. If you knew history, it would be obvious to you that the Republican Party is closer to Nazi tendencies.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy You have no idea what you're talking about. So, Milton Friedman was pro-authoritarian and pro-fascist? Trump is a moron, so he admires a lot which he doesn't understand. Didn't he also think Frederick Douglas was still alive? And wasn't he a democrat for most of his life? The conservatives who I think of and know, value individualism, not statism. This is completely out of line with Nazi tendencies. And I can see the left promoting racist ideas right now.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy I have never voted for a republican presidential candidate, but I see the writing on the wall in the democratic party. That's why I had to turn away. I am a proponent of the Bill of Rights. I am an individual who has never fit in. So, it should make sense for me to abandon the groupthink and extorted conformity I see now on the left.
  • @0grey0 @ch3vy Not sure who you think “the right” is. I’m talking about Trump supporters, the picture is about Trump and his followers eating up his shit through Fox News (moving toward OAN these days). And if you think acknowledging the reality of racism and white privilege in America is a “racist idea” then we need to set some definitions, because that’s race-related, but it is not “racist” by a long shot. “Race-related” does not equal “racist” in and of itself.
  • @0grey0 @dcocb4 @sammyjankis @ch3vy The Trump admin made it worse. “previous admins did not have a blanket policy to prosecute parents and separate them from their children.” When questioned by interviewers about migrant children detained at the southern border, President Donald Trump has tried to steer the blame toward the previous administration, saying former President Barack Obama initiated the policy of separating those children from their caregivers, even though fact checkers have consistently found that claim to be false. factcheck.org/2019/04/more-... But, according to factcheck.org/, "previous administrations did not have a blanket policy to prosecute parents and separate them from their children." It was after the Trump administration announced its "zero-tolerance" immigration policy in April 2018, in which everyone who illegally entered the U.S. was referred for criminal prosecution, that thousands of migrant children were separated from their parents. usatoday.com/story/news/pol...
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy It's racist to paint an entire group with the same brush. White privilege may manifest itself in many situations, but even the intellectual proponents of intersectionality saw other privileges, such as wealth, family stability, attractiveness, intelligence, attitude.... And some may overtake others, according to their theory. You cannot reduce individuals to the group which supposedly defines their immutable characteristics without dehumanizing them. We should treat people as individuals. And I believe people are generally the writers of their own destiny. I wouldn't insult them by supposing not. You may believe that nature and nurture completely define us, but would you like to be treated that way? Would you like to be pigeonholed, have your own agency demeaned, and your individuality denied? What is the left really doing? Aren't they just dividing us? Their goals seem to be aligned with the extreme racists on the right. Is it to divide and conquer?
  • @gilmeriken @dcocb4 @sammyjankis @ch3vy And why would they separate them? Aren't there other non-evil reasons to separate them? Do you know about human trafficking? I agree that it's a sad situation, but you might consider arguments as to why this is happening. In some situations, child are brought to the border by adults who are not their parents. What is the solution?
  • @0grey0 @ch3vy “Facists on the left” is such a strange take. Fascism has historically been considered a far-right ideology. Sure, I denounce facism from anywhere. I have a feeling we’re going to disagree on what you are interpreting as “facism from the left”. Either it’s going to be some minority held view by some extreme camp, or something like “suppression of Free speech” that has nothing with government censorship. 🤷‍♂️ Or maybe something, else. In any case this all started with “leftists have no class” - again, such a strange comments, as it implies that right wingers have more class somehow.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy Maybe Fascism " is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe." What are the striking and evil parts of this? I posit that it's dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, .... I see fascists as those who want to silence and oppress those who disagree and who want everyone to fall in line. Maybe I'm taking liberty with the word, but don't these evils exist on both sides? I could be biased: My wife is from a country that was a communist dictatorship and morphed into a bastardized form of capitalism to survive. I can't even speak out about it for fear of retribution. And the leaders murdered millions based on their supposed "privilege". So, for instance, farmers were murdered for their "privilege". But it was really just to conquer and oppress.
  • @sammyjankis @ch3vy @gilmeriken Sammy, I get your point. But when we go to the extremes, don't we tend to compromise our individuality? Conformity in the extreme is debasing in the extreme or tends to be. Here's a funny secret: My own grandpa was once a leftist. Many of my family were actual leftists who carried the manifesto around. But I still love them. My grandpa was actually my hero. He saved me by acting as a father to me.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy Well, I appreciate that. I was always a democrat. I'm in favor of everyone getting healthcare and not going bankrupt for it. I don't want anyone to be homeless. But I am afraid that the left is trying to demonize others. And it hits me because I was once probably either part of or close to the left. Woody Guthrie was named after a racist and apparently sang old racist songs. But then he reformed himself, and he spoke out against racism in his music very often. If people were there to demonize him, would that have been better? People need to be allowed to be idiots so long as they don't harm others or incite violence. I believe racism is a mental problem, and we need to use love to turn people to good, not hate. Weren't the democrats once more accepting and inclusive? Weren't they less extreme? Perhaps it's my religious upbringing, but I really believe in love. And I'm sorry if my initial comment didn't convey that. Also, I've had a few boilermakers.
  • @0grey0 @ch3vy Another strange take, as if you are completely blind to the divisiveness of Trump and his non-unifying messaging. We want the same thing, but it seems like you think people are already treated like individuals in this country, regardless of the color of their skin. And that couldn’t be further from the truth, and acknowledging that truth and confronting it is not “racism.” Being treated as an individual is a distinct privilege in this country that is granted much more easily and quickly the lighter your skin is in America. That may be a race-related idea, but it’s not “racist” to acknowledge it.
  • @gilmeriken @ch3vy And people need to be free to be idiots too. I just don't think it's a good idea to "purge" or censor everyone who is flawed. In the 90's, I think it was folks on the right who were doing that kind of thing, but I could be wrong.